Talking Point #9

What is the article about?

• acceptance


• females


• taping the glass


• equality


• women's right


• McIntosh five-phase


• harassment


• males=females not males vs. females

Argument

Orestein's argues that gender equality should be present in schools. Every woman that played an important role in our country should be credited for it. It is not about women vs men, it is about women equal to men.

Evidence

"Women are one-half of the world's people; they do two-thirds of the world's work; they earn one-tenth of the world's income; they own one one-hundredth of the world's property."

" This is a classroom that's gone through the gender looking glass. It is the mirror opposite of most classrooms that girls will enter, which are adorned with masculine role models, with male heroes, with books by and about men.."

"As long as it's required, [boys] accept it...[b]ut it wouldn't occur to them to choose it."

"This is learning from the inside out...[t]hey do the research, they connect into that other life, and they really become the person."

"Sometimes kids resist the idea of gender equity..."

"...women's studies is not about 'ruling over,' it is about 'existing with,'...it is important to be explicit with these reassurance right away."

"I usually find that boys resist studying women when they're presented as 'lesser,'...and if they're presented as 'lesser,' girls don't want to study women either."

Comments

By far this is the best article I read. Women vs. Men have always been a fun theme to talk about because we can relate to it very much. Many of the quotes presented were very interested. The quote I that really hit me was.." I usually find that boys resit studying women when they're presented as 'lesser'...and if they're presented as 'lesser,' girls don't want to study either." This quote is so true. Many women make it so easy for guys by satisfying their needs. If a guy does not want to hear it...women will shut up. It is time for women to stand up and say "I have the right to be recognize." It is not about converting this issue into a wrestling match, but making sure we are viewed as women who are Strong, independent, explorers, inventors..etc.

Another quote that hit me was the quote about a girl who was talking about her dressing, "would people think I'm a ho' if I wear this?" Why do we as women have to be concern about our dressing? Look I could be walking down the street in a bikini and that does not give any man the right consider me a ho or harass me. Women do not ask to be harassed. Another thing that bother me is...If a man sleeps around with women he is the shit...."A PIMP" but if a woman does the same thing she is label as as whore, slut, and so on. I am going to post lyrics of song named "hold us down" by Christina Aguilera and Lil Kim. When I read all this article many of the things remind me of the song. AGAIN: I AM NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS INTO A WRESTLING MATCH BETWEEN WOMEN AND MEN, I JUST WANT TO BE HEARD.

So what am I not supposed to have an opinion.

Should I be quiet just because I'm a woman

Call me a bitch cos I speak what's on my mind

Guess it's easier for you to swallow if I sat and smiled

When a female fires back

Suddenly the target don't know how to act

So he does what any little boy will do

Making up a few false rumors or two

That for sure is not a man to me

Slanderin' names for popularity

It's sad you only get your fame through controversy

But now it's time for me to come and give you more to say

This is for my girls all around the world

Who've come across a man who don't respect your worth

Thinking all women should be seen, not heard

So what do we do girls?

Shout louder!Letting them know we're gonna stand our ground

Lift your hands high and wave them proud

Take a deep breath and say it loud

Never can, never will, can't hold us down

Nobody can hold us down

Nobody can hold us down

Nobody can hold us down

Never can, never will

So what am I not supposed to say what I'm saying

Are you offended by the message I'm bringing

Call me whatever cos your words don't mean a thing

Guess you ain't even a man enough to handle what I sing

If you look back in history It's a common double standard of society

The guy gets all the glory the more he can score

While the girl can do the same and yet you call her a whore

I don't understand why it's okay

The guy can get away with it & the girl gets named

All my ladies come together and make a change

Start a new beginning for us everybody sing

This is for my girls all around the world

Who've come across a man who don't respect your worth

Thinking all women should be seen, not heard

What do we do girls?Shout louder!Letting them know we're gonna stand our ground

Lift your hands high and wave 'em proud

Take a deep breath and say it loud

Never can, never will, can't hold us down

Lil' Kim:Check it - Here's something I just can't understand

If the guy have three girls then he's the man

He can either give us some head, sex her off

If the girl do the same, then she's a whore

But the table's about to turn

I'll bet my fame on it

Cats take my ideas and put their name on it

It's aiight though, you can't hold me down

I got to keep on movin'

To all my girls with a man who be tryin to mack

Do it right back to him and let that be that

You need to let him know that his game is whack

And Lil' Kim and Christina Aguilera got your back
But you're just a little boy

Think you're so cute, so coy

You must talk so big To make up for small lil' things

So you're just a little boy

All you'll do is annoy

You must talk so big To make up for small lil' things

This is for my girls...This is for my girls all around the world

Who've come across a man who don't respect your worth

Thinking all women should be seen, not heard

So what do we do girls?

Shout louder!Letting them know we're gonna stand our ground

Lift your hands high and wave 'em proud

Take a deep breath and say it loud

Never can, never will, can't hold us down

This is for my girls all around the world

Who've come across a man who don't respect your worth

Thinking all women should be seen, not heard

So what do we do girls?

Shout louder!Letting them know we're gonna stand our ground

Lift your hands high and wave 'em proud

Take a deep breath and say it loud

Never can, never will, can't hold us down

Spread the word, can't hold us down.

(http://www.lyrics.com/lyric.php?id=3037&Songs=Can't_Hold_Us_Down)